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One of those things that springs from my fevered subconscious every once in a while: Sadness has its roots in remembered joy.

What do you think? True or false?

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it seems it could be true. joy that one has had and lost, that is always a sadness to me at least. sometimes though i'm sad and don't exactly know why. it could be i'm wanting something i can't quite place, based on a joy i once knew, sort of by analogy. i just woke up from a nap and have no idea what i'm saying, will shut up right now. ;)

yes;
I think it's close to the truth, if not Absolute
blessed be
xxx

The first thing I think of is the analogous (apposite?) statement from The Prophet: Joy is carved by knives of sorrow.

I think awareness of one helps in apprecaition of the other. So, I guess I agree with your statement.

wow, reading that just blew my mind. true, very true!
One needs to be experienced in order to recognize the other...

darn you and your philosophical sentences! Im gonna be thinking this one out all night now...
:)

some sadness, of course, but not ALL sadness.

sadness naturally comes from remembered joys when we remember a joy which we no longer have. for me, this is usually associated w/people.

but i can remember past moments of joy like beauties encountered in nature, or a concert or seeing a famous painting in person, or even vacations or events w/people, and remember them fondly without sadness. usually these are moments in which i never expected to last. they were experienced in the moment w/o attachment.

when i remember people or time spent w/people in sadness, the sadness actually comes from a sense of loss, which, in turn, comes from attachment, desire, and expectations.

this is not to say that i judge remembering times of joy w/a tinge of sadness to be BAD. just showing what i believe to be the actual "roots" of that sadness.... i don't believe joy itself ever causes sadness, but rather how we view the joy, and whether we want to hold onto it.

altho i think it IS possible to experience pleasure so intensely that it can swing around to pain (i view dualities as 2 halves of a complete circle, with the joining points being the "tao" or "no-space" or "discontinuity" - for those familiar with calculus - where both exist simultanesouly, and neither exist)

but i'm not sure i've ever experienced a joy and sadness at the same time.... i expect it is possible, but not sure what situation might bring that on... giving birth maybe? orgasm i tend to associate w/the pleasure/pain duality, but i suppose that can be viewed as a subset of the joy/sadness duality (sorry, i just find mathematics to provide such a clear visual for a lot of philosophically metaphysical conjecture... ;) )

as for the wonderful statement posted by holyoutlaw:
"joy is carved by knives of sorrow"

and conscience's response:
One needs to be experienced in order to recognize the other...

i absolutely agree, and discovered this experientially myself years ago (as prolly most of cb's posters have as well ;) ), and applied it further to my picture of The Universe and the Ultimate Question: Why Are We Here?: ultmitately, to fully appreciate an infinite existence, we must experience the full range of duality which makes up the finite existence.

so in any duality, to fully recognize (and therefore, appreciate) the bounds of one dual state, we must experience the full bounds of its duality. for, in so doing, we experience every point on that circle i spoke of above...

hmm, rather interesting, as i'm writing this, i see the ultimate universe we think of is actually just one part of a duality... finite/infinite... we are currently existing in a finite realm, which, within it, are many more dualities... i wonder, then, what dualities exist within the infinite realm? and what greater set/realm the finite/infinite duality is a subset of?!!!!

WOW. i just blew my own mind. there MUST be something greater than even the infinite realm!!!

*WOW*

*time passes*....
*drool forms*...
*various flying insects enter*...

/me shakes my head

whoa.

/me looks around dazedly
/me scoops up the scattered pieces of virtually-blown brain littered around me...

;)

um. i had something else to say.
but i forgot.

gah! damn word limit!....

Just a note: If Thing X has its roots in Substrate Y, that doesn't mean that Substrate Y always causes Thing X. Substrate Y could be the dirt in the yard, and Thing X could be an oak tree. But Thing X could also be a maple tree, a crocus, or a really big mushroom. So even if sadness has its roots in remembered joy, that doesn't mean that remembered joy will produce sadness--first, the seed must be planted.

As usual, I enjoyed reading your spew. Glad to see you again. :-)

oh yea!

so, ultimately, do i think sadness has its roots in remembered happiness?

i say false. nope. no way jose.

i think part of that IS true tho:

sadness has its roots in TIME.

ultimately, the largest defining boundary of this realm is time. (sorry, there i go w/the math again... but it SO helps w/this boundary stuff! ;) see, those silly overlapping circles we had to learn in high school actually WERE useful!!! *giggle*)

hmmm.... i should really write this stuff down somewhere....

*hee*

i suddenly remember a tshirt i got in college. well, i was in engineering program (ahh, things click into place now for cb's bemused readers *grin*) and we had tshirts made every year... this one we got a comic and modified it... it was a single "pane", split w/2 people. one dude in bed under the covers on top, and bottom of pane, was another dude also in bed under the covers... top dude is spewing something to the effect of : "so if i determine the fugacity of a two-phase fluid system then i can use the avery-james theorem to best approximate the ideal-gas law..." (which basically says, i can assume a jar full of, say, rubbing alcohol stirred into water, acts as an ideal system - which is a very simple equation (which means, only algebra, no calculus ;) ), if i just figure out the fudge factor. fugacity, in addition to being a hard rock band, is also a very technical term for "fudge factor". *hee*)

sooo anyway, the top dude is trying to fall asleep, and is, basically, stuck in the details of his job/homework...

the bottom dude is looking out the same window at the moon and musing in an identical thought bubble: "gee. i really like vanilla."

*hee*

(ok, it's better seen, but hopefully the irony made it thru the retelling. ;) )

hm. i think my brain needs a rest now. i'm going to raid the mom's fridge for ice cream now. (mmm.... ben&jerry's caramel sutra!!! yummm. heh. i never eat plain vanilla. um. unless it's atop warm apple pie... mmmmm.....or blueberry cobbler... mmmmm. damn, i'm hungry now!!)

hee. i could philosophize (doesn't that 'z' look funny? but i checked. it's a 'z'. tho 's' looks just as odd...) all day. i'm so glad you invite such abuse cb!!! *grin*

/me thinks about what i just spewed.

heh.
i'm such a geek!!!

luckily none of my friends have geek alarms in their homes. well, at least not for nefarious or ridiculing purposes... ;)

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